They did this for the mage Ice Block.

they did this by giving cat druids – the yiffy version of rogues – feral leap. no one told them they HAD to go bear form and do feral charge just to reduce downtime. and they don’t even need the mobility fix.

they did this by fixing shadowmeld to essentially be a stationary vanish.

and Cloak of Shadows used to be the 41pt Subtlety move as well. so what’s your point? baseline ShS would fix our mobility in every spec and back up the whole “let’s make all 3 trees pvp viable” garbage blizzard is smoking. it doesn’t even work when rooted either, so what’re you complaining about?

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14697492760&pageNo=2&sid=1#27

Blizzard owes Rogues more DPS.

Shadowstep across them all would make a rogue that isnt sub spec’d more viable, at least being able to shadow step to a back enemy and get a sap off that he otherwise wouldnt. Otherwise we bring no utility to the game anymore. We have a misdirect…Which at the rate that the tanks produce threat, is it really needed? Maybe only for those under geared tank runs, or for using the retarded fan of knives… And whats sad is if you wait 2 seconds for your tank to get agro before you do it, you wont rip the agro from him with it.

The fact of the matter is that each tree needs to be unique and have its own purpose. Although I kind of think the Sub tree is a sort of hodge podge of abilites that are cool but didn’t hit into either of the other trees, as Worcester said, the sub tree is a utility/survivabiltiy tree and it does that well. Shadowstep is a very utilitarian and unique ability and belongs where it is. Even if you gave a gimped version of Shadowstep to all rogues, it would for sure take away from this uniqueness.

I think what it comes down to is balancing a class, not giving it abilities just because of the character concept. If you let sword/fist rogues use mutilate or backstab, those numbers would be HUGE and we’d be overpowered. If you took away vanish from assassination and combat, people would complain about being gimped and not having enough “oh #$%#” buttons. Same goes for shadowstep. If you gave it to all rogues, mages would have a hissy fit, and everyone else would complain about it being unbalanced in PvP or whatever.

Why can’t you mutilate with swords or fist weapons? Because have you seen the size of them? Mutilate is a like a side arm swing in not a normal attack swing like you see your charcter do when you are auto attacking, or using a sword / fist weapon. Why can’t you use backstab with a sword? Because it doesnt play into “stealthy” Rogue.. Blizzard uses “stealthy” rogue to explain why they did certain things in are class all the time. We should just hold it to them.

Again though for those that maybe have a hard time reading here I am not saying take the talent as it and give to everyone. Im also propsing that SUB rogues, actually get something more useful out of it… Thinking about it now, the SUB talen should be something like “If you make an attack within x time after shadow stepping, it will give you Pumping Adrenaline, and regen energy 3x fast for x seconds, depending on how many pnts you spec into it. As well as the pnts spec into should adjust the cool down timer.

The lack of need for feint is thanks to the reworked aggro for tanks. They generate it at least doubly as fast as they did in BC (I don’t know about the rest of you but I was still using it then to try and stay off the MT’s threat x_x) so it had to have something else added onto it to justify it still existing in the game. Thats how I see it anyways.

@Worcester

Tons of fast white damage wold be closer to daggers and that doesn’t mean it has to be in combat. Just because my OH sword swings at 1.5 or 1.6 doesn’t mean I’m doing more white damage faster when my MH is double the swing timer of your dagger.

I played all of BC as a SUB rogue, and loved it, I even topped dps charts as a sub rogue, problem is now, is the only real way to compete with any other class spec/class as a sub rogue, is to be using the bugged HAT.

I actually went mutilate, and enjoy playing it very much, I just like most think, the SUB tree got screwed the most out of the lich king’s updates.

Oh and the concept of a Rogue, is “stealthy” … No matter the tree, sub,assin,combat – a rogue should be stealthy, just as a mage can “blink”. Next what are you going to say vanish should only be in the sub tree? No, because its “stealthy”… All rogues should be able to ShadowStep.