You’re assuming that you’d get the same amount of agi on an item as you would ap. But in most cases it’s likely that you’ll get 2-3 times more ap than agi from an item, in as Sitron very simplified pointed out 100 agi + blessing of kings = 110 ap (not counting the crit), and 100 ap + blessing of kings = 100 ap. However, in reality you’ll be able to stack MUCH more ap than agi. After all, blessing of kings is “only” a 10% boost. So as long as the 10% increase won’t give you more total ap than you would with chosing ap instead, you’ll benifit more from stacking ap. Sure, the crit is a good boost as well, but assuming we’re talking combat swords, the majority of damage will be non-crit white damage.

Gearwise it’s completely fantasy-land to assume that you’ll get 1 agi vs. 1 ap, you simply won’t. If I had a choice of an item with 20 agi + 75 ap or an item with 50 agi, i’d got with the 20 agi + 75 ap combo every time.

Additionally this post here contains all essentials and can be recommended for all fellow raiders as the necessary knowledge about rogues.

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Dar

I was confused with my initial info search, people were saying to not use Garrot or Rupture, which wasn’t making any sense to me, who doesn’t want more damage? Of course, none of those people ever say Why to use, or not to use anything. I still don’t have an in depth explanation, but at least I’ve found someone else that agrees with me. :)

Combat daggers is generally recognized to be significantly less DPS than combat swords, combat fists, or combat sword+fist, so it can be harder to find theorycraft about it. If for some reason the only weapons you can get your hands on are daggers, it’s still “viable” I guess, just not optimal.

If you spec swords and daggers and have a sword in your offhand, yes, the extra attack will come from the dagger in your main hand. Since daggers have a much lower damage range than swords due to their high speed, this is not really a good thing. However, you can spec sword+fist, using a fist in your mainhand, and then when the sword procs extra attacks from your mainhand fist these attacks will get the benefits of fist spec’s 5% extra crit. Depending on your weapons, this can be a very competitive build.

As to expose armor, yes, it’s a good ability to use when you don’t have a warrior tanking. If you have one rogue in your group with the talent, it’s better than 5 stacks of sunder – but only if you can keep it up 100% of the time. I’ve heard it’s quite hard to sustain 100% snd uptime and 100% ea uptime as combat daggers because of the abysmal combo point generation, but YMMV.

100 Att Pwr= 100 Att Pwr + Kings= 100 Att Pwr

This is what I like about Agility, not to mention the crit and dodge that comes with it. I only mention dodge because sometimes you could be the victiim of a cleave or you may end up tanking a mob to keep it off the healer

First, nice post. Very informative for people trying to learn the ins and outs of being a rogue, and a nice thought provoker for those who have been doing it awhile.

Second, any thoughts on combat daggers? And would you or anyone else know if you were to spec swords and daggers if the the proc for the extra attack (from having the sword in your offhand) would affect the dagger in the main hand? I don’t know if this is a viable build or not, but something I was curious about.

Last, something I have a tendency to do since there seem to be an abundance of Pally and Druid tanks now, is if there is noone sundering and I am in a position where I have combo points to spare (from AR or just plain lucky from crit procs) I will use Expose Armor. I will usually open with an ambush for my starting point (or two) SnD, then hit AR and BF and Drums of Battle, hit 5 CP Rupture, single SnD, 5 CP EArmor, then go back to SnD and Rupture. I feel this is a good use of skills and helps everyone, including the non-sundering tank, to get some good burst damage in and kind of set the pace for the whole boss fight.